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Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	Ballistic (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 11:52
Post No	174384
Did anyone read down far enough on that Patent application. They seemed to have thier own little extraction method which they claim 98% on generic pills. Procedure: 1. The tablets are ground in a mortar and screened through a 20 mesh screen. 2. The ground tablets are slurried in 300 ml of toluene and stirred for one (1) hour. This step is conducted to try and remove the gum denaturant system. 3. The slurry is vacuum filtered. The filter cake washed with an additional 100 ml toluene and air died. The toluene solution is discarded. 4. The filter cake is added to 175 ml of room temperature. water, stirred for 1 hour and then vacuum filtered. 5. The filter cake is washed with an additional 50 ml of water. The filtrates are combined. 6. The combined filtrate is neutralized with 20% NaOH solution to a pH>12 and stirred for one (1) hour. 7. The batch is vacuum filtered to remove precipitated pseudoephedrine free base. The solid free base is washed with 50 ml of water and air dried. The filtrates and the wash are combined and extracted with 2.times.100 ml volumes of toluene. The toluene is evaporated to dryness and the resultant free base added to that obtained by filtration. "I feel the need,,,,the need for speed"



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	Ballistic (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 11:59
Post No	174386
Also, This ones for CURBSHOT, what ratio of acetone to water do you use to get the red out? Very good idea by the way. "I feel the need,,,,the need for speed"



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 12:53
Post No	174394
in reply to: __________________________________________________ Did anyone read down far enough on that Patent application. They seemed to have thier own little extraction method which they claim 98% on generic pills. __________________________________________________ Read again. That's the un-gakked pills used for comparison to the fucked up pills. Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 13:23
Post No	174401
in reply to: ________________________________________________ The purpose of the freezer is what? ________________________________________________ Ever notice how fats beecome solidified when put in the fridge? Butter gets hard, greasy lamb chops get caked in white chunks of fat etc. A lot of the Gakk materials are fatty shit. Even after thorough Turps Cure a spell in the freezer can remove more crud by allowing it to bee filtered out. Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 14:28
Post No	174407
Dunno how prevalant they are elsewhere, but in SWIM's world it seems that lots of the pharmacies are reformulating their generic pills to bee in the form of egg shaped rubbery capsules filled with liquid(usually in pissy little 24 count boxes too, the cunts). They wouls seem too take their inspiration from the following section of the Evil Patent................. Non-aqueous suspensions may be obtained by dispersing the denaturant/sympathomimetic amine compositions in a suitable non-aqueous based vehicle, optionally with the addition of suitable viscosity enhancing agent(s) (e.g., hydrogenated edible fats, aluminum stearate, etc.). Suitable non-aqueous vehicles include, for example, almond oil, arachis oil, soybean oil or fractionated vegetable oils such as fractionated coconut oil. The liquid certainly has a pleasant almond/coconut oil smell to it. Smells a bit like tanning oil. Anyway, SWIM has avoided these bastards till now but decided to have a go at them as they seem to bee they way of the future in Gakk formulations. The rubbery caps were cut in half and given the standard Turps Cure which did remove a lot of crud, however a methanol pull still evapped down to a viscous, sweet smelling oil. Redissolve in methanol and stuck in the freezer. Solidified fats/waxes filtered out, but still evapped down to a much less viscous, sweeter smelling oil. At this point SWIM was gonna do more turps treatments and poured in more turps. No crud seemed to come out, so SWIM decanted most of the turps, leaving just enough turps to cover the Pfed/oil. Then he dumped in acetone. WOW! A cloud of super pure needles of Pfed crashed out. Pfed was filtered out and was like bright, white cotton candy, light and fluffy but totally dry and certainly not sticky. The best looking Pfed SWIM has ever seen. On par with A/B result. The yeild was low due to all the steps and the nano nature of the experiment, but the results were so damned impressive that SWIM is gonna try ADDING Gakk to Pfed extracted from regular pills. Now, it's off to the health food joint to buy almond oil! Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	CURBSHOT (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:07
Post No	174412
reply'n to: __________________________________________________________ CURBSHOT, what ratio of acetone to water do you use to get the red out? Very good idea by the way. ___________________________________________________________ with pills in a jar pour acitone in just above the the pill line then start out with just a splash of water and shake. the amount of water you use will only strip off so much so add slesh at a time till all is removed then pour every thing threw a screen or colander pills are completly dry withen seconts. reply'n to: ___________________________________________________________ Very good idea by the way. ___________________________________________________________ yes its definetly the best way ,and i wish i could remember the bee who actually deserves the credit for this idea . but after giving it a try i confirm 100% there is and never could be a better way its so freindly to your pills that the edge of the ridge of the pills are completly un scaved not to mention not a single pock mark , the pill is only striped of its dye sure i could help ~ but whats in it for curb . (who loves ya) curb does



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:09
Post No	174414
in reply to: ___________________________________________ like with the vicks its the same shit they just changed the name ___________________________________________ ???????????what are you talking about??????????????????????? Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:20
Post No	174416
in reply to: _______________________________________________ any other brands like 60mg /triprolidine or if im not sure, all just a/b crude e. _______________________________________________ Triprolidine is easily removed in an acetone soak. Also, if you can do an A/B on a pill without any Gakk removal measures like the tolly/acetone stuff, then it aint got the Gakk. The whole point of the Gakk is to fuck an A/B. Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	Ballistic (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:22
Post No	174417
No super(ass)man why don't you read again. They are applying for a patent on a new formula for a pill structure that beats the current structure. Why would they do a comparisan on the old old pills. There doing a comparisan on the pills that are on the market right now!!!! What would be the sense in doing a comparson the old pills when they are fighting what we do with the pills that are on the market now. What country are you from??? "I feel the need,,,,the need for speed"



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	Ballistic (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:31
Post No	174418
Thanks C-SHOT on the advice on gettin the red out. It's nice to know that some bee's can work together to get the honey to the hive. Just remember that what this is all about. Thanks again. "I feel the need,,,,the need for speed"



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	CURBSHOT (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-20-01 15:34
Post No	174419
reply'n to: _______________________________________________ if you can do an A/B on a pill without any Gakk removal measures like the tolly/acetone stuff, then it aint got the Gakk. The whole point of the Gakk is to fuck an A/B. ________________________________________________ SA usually curp has no problem understanding your point or advise but what the hell are talking about !! sure i could help ~ but whats in it for curb . (who loves ya) curb does



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-21-01 00:33
Post No	174457
in reply to: ____________________________________________________ No super(ass)man why don't you read again. They are applying for a patent on a new formula for a pill structure that beats the current structure. Why would they do a comparisan on the old old pills. There doing a comparisan on the pills that are on the market right now!!!! What would be the sense in doing a comparson the old pills when they are fighting what we do with the pills that are on the market now. What country are you from??? ____________________________________________________ Deep Sigh................you Yanks have it so damn easy, you don't know Gakk from a hole in the ground.(Tongue firmly in cheek, don't get mad). Your 98% A/B extractable "current structure" is our "old structure" down here, where it's Summertime now. Our 0% A/B extractable "current structure" is your "new structure". What you describe as their "own little method" for dealing with generic pills is actually a simple Acid/Base water extraction method mentioned in Uncle Fester's books & used by generations of meth cooks. It only works to the 98% level on pills with no detterant Gakks in them. These pills have been unavailable in SWIM's world for a looong time and are beecoming increasingly rare in yankyland too. Your post read like you thought a simple water A/B would work with all the generics currently on the yank market. SWIM just wanted to make sure that bees understood that obtaining Gakk free pills is beecoming troublesome even in the Land of the Wired and the home of the Tweaked. The methods detailed in this patent is not stuff that has only been used since the recent patent granting date. Ever hear of "Patent Pending". This shit has been used to a lesser or greater extent for quite a few years now. I think the app date was back in 1996. The pharma companies in SWIM's nation are very toady little arseholes that crumbled to political pressure to Gakkify things a long time ago. Pharma companies in the promised land are only just beginning to make your dreams a nightmare. So anyway, dont think that the 98% extract can bee done on any generic you can find with the good ol' water pull and A/B. The Turp's Cure has evolved at this lovely Hive place as bee's have hit new brick walls made of encapsulating crud, fatty acids, waxes and polymers, all of varying solubilities. To those skilled in the Art, _{head swells with self pride at the thought......"HEY THEM PATENT DRAFTERS ARE REFERING TO SWIM"}the current State of the Art is Placebo's Turps modification of The Cure. This will defeat Gakk at Aussie levels very nicely. It will certainly handle anything on the yank market too. BUT.........the fight ain't over by a long shot. SWIM always eagerly sniffs his reaction precursor, product & rxn mixes at the non-hazardous stages, in eager readiness, straining at the leash for the day when the W&L cunts start making his gogo smell like rotting bodies!!! I mean, Jesus.H.Christ, fucking Cadaverine? Now that's fighting dirty, but the Hive don't fight by the Marquis of Fester's Rules neither, so bring it on cunts, The Hive'll fuckin' 'ave ya. Colonel "Blood 'n Guts" Placebo and his SAS company of steely eyed killers are destined to lead the fight with covert intell gathering, probing attacks, and sabotage in preparation for the 101st Marines doing some slaughter. To reprise an old sig line................. I love the smell of cats piss in the morning, it smells like....................Apocalypse Now pause as he inhales ammonical remnants from old filter without Sulphurous or Nitrogenous denaturant stinkVictory Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-21-01 00:54
Post No	174459
in reply to: ________________________________________________ SA usually curp has no problem understanding your point or advise but what the hell are talking about !! ________________________________________________ Oh NO!!! All this tweaking is turning SWIM into, um, FMan. Heh. SWIM was just advising that you don't need an A/B to clean out Triprolidine. Also, your post read like you didn't do the tolly/acetone thing if you decide to do an A/B. Just wanted to point out that the Turps Cure is a prerequisite to any A/B that deals with Gakk pills.SWIM knows that you probably know that, you seem to know your shit real good, but these threads get archived and when we tell the Newbees to UTFSE, SWIM likes to know that they won't get too many ambigueties thrown in their path. SWIM hated it when he skinned his knees on interpetations of discussions between bee's "talking shop", with all the things that get left unsaid due to such things beeing "well Duh" obvious. Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: How tro identify the hidden blockers in pills	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-21-01 01:05
Post No	174461
in reply to: ______________________________________________ yes its definetly the best way ,and i wish i could remember the bee who actually deserves the credit for this idea . but after giving it a try i confirm 100% there is and never could be a better way its so freindly to your pills that the edge of the ridge of the pills are completly un scaved not to mention not a single pock mark , the pill is only striped of its dye ____________________________________________________ It was Dwarfer. See Post No Post No 169591 Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	bizarium (Hive Addict)
Posted on	02-21-01 03:47
Post No	174472
Superassman, you really go the extra mile. I think you still got awhile before you're talkin Fman language. Swib has encountered ultra gakk, right here in the united snakes. and recently. and posing as the same generic reds of a month ago. quite possibly, it is swib's ineptitude; possibly something about to happen in Oz. but the turps ain't gettin at the new stuff, even with a boil. and tolly and tone boils. Still fucked a/b. well, got 6gms from 3 oz. I'd call that fucked. is the "crashing out in acetone" part of your new findings a method of escaping polymers, or were they already gone from prior ministrations? I like it. so, swib maybee gonna search for turp analogs. still wondering about the ZnCl2 and especially, the flocculants, or whatever they're called. fighting polymers with polymers. i hope i'm wrong about the new gakk and turps. does seem that an entirely new approach is gonna bee inevitable. how long will the gakkiass pills even bee around? maybee we could get the mafia to make psuedoephidrine; sell it to crack dealers, who would sell it to tweakers, who would trade it to their cook. Hmm. the cadaverine is truly remarkable. its getting funny. wonder if people that legally eat the fucking cold medicine end up smelling like death?



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	SuperAssman (Hive Bee)
Posted on	02-21-01 05:31
Post No	174480
in reply to: _________________________________________________________ is the "crashing out in acetone" part of your new findings a method of escaping polymers, or were they already gone from prior ministrations? I like it. _________________________________________________________ SWIM is pretty certain that the only gakk component left when the pfed popped its head out to say hi, was some of the sweet smelling light oil that held the pfed in suspension. in reply to: ___________________________________________________________ but the turps ain't gettin at the new stuff, even with a boil. and tolly and tone boils. Still fucked a/b. well, got 6gms from 3 oz. I'd call that fucked. _________________________________________________________ So you're getting soggy pfed that forms the A/B fucking emulsion, right? Hmmmmmmm, SWIM has been pondering this "Tale Of Two Gakks" and can't beeleive that your generic pills have more Gakk than our slow-release 120's. You see, the Turps Cure is effective enough to allow even these crap-filled bastards to bee used efficiently by SWIM, and beeleive me, they are fucking loaded. They leave a hefty film of fatty shit in the sink when the turps is flushed, and if you don't use enough acetone, and you let it stay on the heat when evapping till it's obvious it aint gonna get any dryer, it don't just have an even wettness to it, it forms kinda blue lava flows of gel shit, sorta rivulets of polymers that can bee physically removed with a spoon! But more tone fixes it easy. Anyway, here are 2 suggestions from SWIM. Firstly, how much solvent do you use? SWIM uses about 150-200ml of each solvent on the regular 60mg pills, BUT, he is only processing a pack at a time, 1.8grPfed. If you are processing ounces you should bee using several litres of each solvent. When you decant the solvents, pour them into some water. If white clouds of Gakk crash out then you still have Gakk coming out, so keep on processing till the final tone rinse contains no Gakk. Secondly, a revision of the Evil Patent reminds SWIM that one of the Gakk methodologies is to encapsulate the NP soluble Gakk in stuff that will make it insoluble in NP in order to evade removal with the 30 minute tolly soaks of the Fester Method. SWIM is thinking, maybee the reason that SWIM has such a sweet nano result and Biz has such a fucked bigass result is cause when SWIM decants his NP there is always a little bit left in there, and when the tone is added the encapsulating shit is dissolved and releases the crud that survived the NP boils into this little bit of NP. SWIM has observed that the first tone boil has a major crud crash out effect when dumped in water, whereas the preceding NP boils are very subtle. So maybee the NP residue in the cleanup is sufficient for SWIM's nano volume of Gakk, but totally inadequate for Biz and his "prison for life" weights. Try doing the process in this order, first tone, then turps, then tolly_{(though lately SWIM has been skipping the tolly and just using more turps with no apparent ill effects)}, then tone again. Repeat until no crud crashes out in tone. Aint chemistry FUN?!



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	lowtech (Old Timer)
Posted on	02-21-01 17:15
Post No	174600
Yah ! ! Super: The east of UPSofA is heading toward your situation fast. I plan on being ahead of the game. I hope folks north of the Mason Dixon Line "get it". Damn Yanks. Around here even the mom & pop stores are stocking stuff that is gakked. Thank for the info. -lt {FAQ=wor174079,super174407} _{My statement; Academic - adj:theoretical without having practical use}Herding cats.



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	Drug_Phreak (Hive Bee / Eraser)
Posted on	02-21-01 19:25
Post No	174609
I started a thread regarding this patent about a month ago, but it was in pdf format. Its great to have it in text format though. I wish Uncle Fester or Strike could read this patent. Is anyone willing to send it to them? Society exists by chemical affinity, and not otherwise.



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	Gen_Washington (Hive Bee)
Posted on	03-03-01 09:45
Post No	176204
SW up there asked about ZnCl2, but I think he meant ferric chloride, used to clean electronic parts. Worlock, have you tried the Oilman ferric chloride method on this new patent shit? Do you personally know if your old Mehtocet thread (where you beat it) still holds up? Sorry if i missed something in this thread, but I gotta get outta here!



Subject	Re: The Liquid Gelcaps	Reply
Posted by	dwarfer (Hive Bee)
Posted on	03-07-01 08:27
Post No	176975
I have not seen all that has been referred to in this thread, as far as nasty additives goes: but I have made my life more simple by far by using the sheepskin condom to retain a lot of the crap before beginning. If you put the decongestants into the skin and then tie off the end and throw it into a container to soak it is interesting to note that the skin becomes stretched tight by the osmotic passage of water into the skin: similarly salts inside try to get out, and do. If you suspend the skin appropriately, you can use it indefinitely: just keep adding your OTC's to the suspended skin and keep evaporating the water on the outside. d

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